.Andrei Pivovarov was among the 16 prisoners devoid of Russia in last week's primary detainee exchange in between Moscow and also the West.The popular opposition protestor, 42, was pulled off a Warsaw-bound aircraft through Russian safety companies in 2021 after the pro-democracy team Open Russia, which he headed, was actually disallowed as " undesirable." He was actually penalized to 4 years behind bars in 2022 for his partner with the team.The Moscow Moments spoke to Pivovarov about the swap and also his think about the future:.MT: Exactly how did you believe when you were being taken to the airport? Did you know that it was actually a swap?AP: By the time our team got to the flight terminal, it was actually currently very clear that our company were being actually taken to an exchange, yet our experts didn't understand where.I presume I completely recognized the really simple fact of what was happening when I was being drawn from the colony on Sunday morning. It was actually the 25th [of July] I understood that something extraordinary was going on given that I was picked up due to the head of the nest as well as he personally helped me hold my factors. But there were actually no specifics.You usually tend to presume the worst in any type of not clear condition. I had all type of notions. Yet there was a moment when I was delivered-- I needed to authorize for a dry out distribution. As well as I view a name on the previous line: Alexandra Skochilenko. And I ensure that if Sasha and I are together, it is actually hardly a negative account.I presumed that it would be like in the films-- a culture where our experts are pardoned by the tsar and also launched in front of the RT cams. The second option was a version of the theorists' aircraft, which unfortunately turned out to be much more true in life.But every little thing was covered till the very side. When our company were offered Lefortovo [Jail, prior to the substitution], our experts were in solitude and can certainly not call any individual.On Thursday early morning they brought us a launch certification without order amount, absolutely nothing. Our team had half an hour to pack, our team took our factors.There were folks in cover-ups and also outfits with our team. If any one of our team resisted as well as refused to be expelled, their activity was to put us on the airplane by any means. They explicitly informed our company that thereafter.The first individual I observed on the bus was actually [Ilya] Yashin. It was certainly pleasant to see him. There were familiar and unfamiliar faces after that, however directly, I was actually incredibly concerned whether Volodya Kara-Murza would exist. He was just one of the last to become produced, which was actually a large comfort, due to the fact that he possesses the lengthiest sentence.Perform anonymous pushed for your addition in the checklist?How the listings were actually formed is actually a mystery to me. I have not managed to speak with all my colleagues however. From my understanding, there were different teams where info was actually compiled and also the ultimate listing was actually much higher what you have actually viewed. As well as it was actually shortened through Russia. When all the desires were collected as well as communicated and form of agreed upon, less people were actually ultimately released.You were expected to be discharged in a month ...This is among one of the most tough traits for me. If you consider my unlawful suit, the duration that I had actually left behind [to provide] can not be reviewed to the relations to the others [political captives]I may point out that I know coming from numerous sources that the probability of my release [in the end of my sentence] was actually not ensured. That is actually why I ended up on the list. We have actually seen examples where folks were apprehended on their exit of the swarm because some new unlawful cases levelled. And also regrettably, there were telephone calls that pointed out that in my case, the outcome might certainly not be actually the greatest.What are your strategies currently? Perform you recognize what you will do in the future?I am currently an individual with no files and no sense of home. I was actually provided a Russian internal key as well as I have pair of papers-- one substitutes my [overseas travel permit] and also the 2nd replaces my visa. As it was actually revealed to me, these documents permit me to remain in Germany for 15 days-- specifically in Germany, not in the EU. It's hard to bring in major plans. Therefore in the beginning, of course, I want to fix the domestic facets.And afterwards-- I have been actually doing social and political help 15-20 years. My keep in jail performed certainly not repel me coming from it, yet on the contrary inspired me even more. I have some tips, as I had time to presume and also reflect [behind bars]And also the major target listed here, perhaps, is to try to chat much more with those that stayed inside [Russia] To try to provide a plan to work with those that may not be our followers, however who are actually frustrated with what is occurring. If our company can provide [people in Russia] the opportunity to reveal themselves without putting themselves at serious danger, I assume that's what an autonomous power must do.